Gankers are so funny, they use any means necessary to justify them using what is pretty clearly an exploit, but the second someone makes a post about how to fix it suddenly the poster is breaking the game.

if a ganker wants to keep someone from flying away they should have to use the modules that everyone else has to and risk getting concorded like everyone else.

It's funny you said this because I was thinking about it earlier. Actually in real life if you were shoving someone around but not actually causing them harm, you would be suspicious. Police would not be able to stop anyone from hitting you with a baseball bat (the gank squad) but if someone was shoving you around for 30 minutes first (the bumper) police would pay attention to that.

A glass thrown at a brick wall has much more kinetic energy than the wall.

What happens to the glass when it hits the wall? What happens to the wall?

Yes I purposefully left the weight of the MWD out of the equation because it is illogical that a ship only 10mil kg could fit a propulsion mod which weighs five times it's weight without affecting it's velocity.

talk about low freighter mass.

talk of lopsided argument

Is the difference even worth noting? Either way you shouldn't do it. Also, is it harassment if I'm doing it for a ransom, or if I'm doing it and not targeting specific players? If I decide I'm going to bump the first jumpfreighter i see for two hours unless I get 50m isk from him, can that be called harassment? Is it still harassment if I'm going to bump him for one hour only? Or if I'm only bumping him so I can move in a squad of catalysts? What if I demand a 1bn ransom (empty JF) because I have a squad of catalysts on the way?

The problem is that your average fleet stabber can pick a freighter and render it completely unable to act for an indefinitely long period of time, short of the freighter self-destructing.

But bumper is alone. Why should 2vs1 be acceptable counter method? Apparently, 1vs1 PVP is so stacked that bumper will ALWAYS win. Moreso, if he bumped you, webbing doesn't work anymore.

Daichy Yamato: Simply no. Ejecting is not an option.

Problem with bumping is that there is no defense. You say webbing, but that happens before bumping. Once bumping is in place, you are ******. Simple as that. You say, attack the bumper, no. This is not correct way. You want your friends to gank the ganker? So they lose ships for no value (bumper doesn't drop much) and their security status? Are you insane?!

Freighter doesn't need to be afk to be bumped forever. Logging off or DT does not allow the freighter to escape. What you are saying here, is that if one person or multiple persons decides to hellcamp a freighter's logoff point in hisec, that this is okay, and the freighter pilot has no recourse but to eject or self destruct in order to escape, or wait out his harassers, potentially forever.

While I have described an extreme situation, certainly, but my point is to illustrate that a limit should exist (and does exist) even if that limit is subjective.

"CCP considers the act of bumping a normal game mechanic, and does not class the bumping of another playerGÇÖs ship as an exploit."

Also please read the following link. It is the Eve search version of the thread I Iinked. A thread of someone complaining of a freighter being bumped for over an hour.

I get it that people do not like the ruling, but it is clear and it does cover all ships.

Still trying to wrap my head around how getting 15 pilots to shoot and destroy a disabled (By Mechanics), unarmed freighter is PVP? I always thought PVP was a contest of skill against another equally capable and skilled player? This seems more like IED's or Seal Skin harvests.

Also CCP ruled on different bumping, bumping miners. They also ruled that if someone who is bumped tries to leave the system and you still bump him, it is harassment. But hey, you don't want that ruling, do you?

Also please read the following link. It is the Eve search version of the thread I Iinked. A thread of someone complaining of a freighter being bumped for over an hour.

Yeah and exactly those are now off the table. There is no effort in ganking default since target can't defend nor fly away (there is no effort on coming and targetting the ship and then wait for "GO" signal, really). There is no time effort, SINCE YOU DON'T EVEN HAVE TO PLAY! All the members except for the bumper can sit and watch tv, is that okay with you? And organization, lol, really? Showing up on ts and grouping, that hard?

I personally am not unwilling to accept CCP ruling. All I am (repeatedly) pointing out is that their could be some rebalancing of the bump mechanic as stated above. CCP has re-balanced other aspects of the game for their own reasons. Ship rebalancing is primary sticking point, as they never REALLY needed re-balanced as much as they were in the first place. I mean that every ship or doctrine has a counter and if some were OP then it should have been the players job to creatively counter it (for the most part). Counters to bumping DO exist already however causing impact damage and/or repeat bumping to be viewed as inherently hostile act (meaning that its primary purpose is to cause destruction of assets) just seems to make a bit of sense to me. If emergent gameplay turned bumping into a lol, then re-balancing would cause that to be lost. it is a trade off

To do what? Lose their ships to CONCORD? Is that your master plan? That is a win for you, losing X ships worth Y ISK for 0 ISK gain, while bumper loses MINIMUM ISK (30% of ship costs, and maybe MWD price), since ship is insured? You are ******* ridiculous...

Great. So your master plan is to lose ISK. Is that what it is? Bumper can cause someone lose ISK for free. If that isn't golden griefing tactics then I don't know what it is.

YOU ARE MAKING YOUR PVP OPPONENT LOSE ISK NO MATTER WHAT THEY DO (There is NO win for them, only lesser lost). You don't see this imbalanced? You think this is okay? Really?

As for preventing, no prevention is 100% proof, even with alt. You can still get lag, socket can be closed on your alt, etc. Then what, you lose ISK.

Another freighter is nice, but what if you are only freighter pilot in alliance? What if you are not in alliance? What if you are in red frog and hauler is in NPC corp...

BTW do you even get insurance if you self destruct your ship?

Also, tell me how would escort (except webber) help here?

Kenrailae: What if someone is in NPC corp? AFAIK Red Frog haulers are not in RF, dunno if they can be in other corps, but still, not every corp has people who can do PVP/logistics etc.

On the subject of miner bumping, CCP stated that you can bump people but if they make an attempt to leave system and go somewhere you are not allowed to follow them around and keep bumping them, as it becomes personal harassment at that point.

Also please read the following link. It is the Eve search version of the thread I Iinked. A thread of someone complaining of a freighter being bumped for over an hour.

You should stop cherry-picking CCP quotes from out of the context of their complete statements. .

You can not control your ship due to the actions of another player, they are not using a Scram, Disruptor, Web, ECM, or Gun they have not War Dec'ed you, shot your MTU/Moblie depot or made any other move that is currently viewed as aggressive, but they are still preventing you and yours from proceeding in peace, with the intent of prepping for and actually performing a Gank; This is an exploit.

Why can't you just bring 2-3 logi support? That should be enough to keep your ship alive until concord has had their way with them. If it isn't, then god bless them, they brought enough firepower to alpha a freighter. Good for them.

Just sayin, with 6-12 pilots, yeah, they can ruin your day any time. But with 2-3 pilots, you can run logi and some warfare links and make your freighter THAT much harder to kill. The burden is on them to bring enough firepower to kill you in 3-30 seconds depending on sec status. They met that burden. Now the burden is on you to guard your 1 bil isk ship from said group of people. Shouldn't penalize them for having a group of people willing to fly together.

The Troll is strong in this thread.

like everyone pro gank you ignore the fact that the second someone bumps you the web trick doesnt work.
point 2
if you had a counter gank squad it still will not work the freighter will still die unless well you have the ability to lock the gank squad faster than they can lock the capital sized freighter with max sebos in the mids .. which will not happen. then you have to have a ship that is capable of insta popping the gankers 100% of the time.. THENNN everyone in the counter gank squad has to instantly target a different person before they get a volley off.

all the ideas suggested are idiotic and will not effectively work in the eve world

All the sandbox arguments are boring and you should know better. If one single ship, can keep another single ship stuck indefinitely that is bad game design. Telling him to bring friends, or have an alt character ready to "blap" him in highsec, is not a solution.

I think the question here is less that are there things to do, but are they feasible to actually acomplish in a realistic situation.

You have the worst logic, if one SINGLE player, can keep another SINGLE player stuck, and he needs a SECOND player to be able to get unstuck, that is bad game design. You should not need another player simply because you are stuck. Please read better next time.